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Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by Caerin Daeyer on Sun 26 Sep - 17:01:27

Well... here's my suggestion.

People once they reach a certain level in say... sorcery, they can become Shades as a random thing when they try to use really powerful spells involving spirits. But, if one reaches an even higher level without becoming a Shade, they can convince one or more spirits depending on other factors (like strength, stamina, intelligence, etc.) to inhabit their bodies but leaving their will and mind intact, becoming the complete anti-thesis of a Shade.

However, Dragon-Riders cannot do this, and the Shades or Shade Antithesis (don't know what to call them) cannot become Dragon Riders and cannot bond with a dragon at any point, whatsoever..

Just a thought.


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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by Fallen Elf on Sun 26 Sep - 17:02:38

Shades can't become dragon riders anyway. And to become a shade, you must summon a spirit, and one you are close to death, that spirit will take over you, making you a shade.

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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by MINDROP on Sun 26 Sep - 17:09:56

I do not think that will get programmed into the game. Too much work.

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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by Durz on Sun 26 Sep - 17:51:58

Agreed, MD and we have already decided on how Shades will work

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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by Caerin Daeyer on Sun 26 Sep - 17:55:39

Oh well... I tried at least.
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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by Alfreredocsil on Sun 26 Sep - 17:59:02

Nothing is set in stone yet.
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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by MINDROP on Sun 26 Sep - 18:36:52

Hmmm, I think every sourcey spell should have a certain percentage of chance at becoming a Shade. Lower levels have a low percentage chance, the Higher levels get a higher chance.

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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by Fallen Elf on Sun 26 Sep - 19:58:02

Mindrop wrote:Hmmm, I think every sourcey spell should have a certain percentage of chance at becoming a Shade. Lower levels have a low percentage chance, the Higher levels get a higher chance.

I'm not sure what you mean. A spirit would take someone over regardless of how powerful the spirit is, as long as they have low health. Unless you mean that the stronger spirits will take over you when you're not so close to death?
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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by MINDROP on Sun 26 Sep - 21:09:33

No, I was meaning, each time you call forth spirits, there is a chane that they will automatically be to strong and you will be taken over.

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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by Alfreredocsil on Sun 26 Sep - 21:22:45

I kinda liked the idea actually.
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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by MINDROP on Sun 26 Sep - 21:33:23

And it is by the book too. From what we know, there is always the chance of being over taken by spirits. As I said, the lower the level, the safer you are. It does not mean that you can not become a shade.

Also, A shade's level should proabally equate to what level he was. He should have to build his power.

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Post by Sage of Dragon Age on Mon 27 Sep - 7:06:44

Well, I think its a very good idea. These "shade-opposites" should pose a good match for both shade and Rider alike...its a completely new factor into the whole "shade" thing.

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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by Alfreredocsil on Mon 27 Sep - 8:57:33

Well, the only thing is that scorcerers are actually already that very thing are they not. A scorcerer is a spellcaster that summons spirits and keeps control over them while in use. A shade is that scorcerer that is overwhelmed by those spirits and loses control, becoming evil. So I guess, a scorcerer is already this "antithesis" now that I think about it.

They will be very useful as well as powerful as full power...if they manage to keep powering up as a sorcerer without becoming a shade. The catch is that a scorcerer can remain good while if he loses control he will be ranked as evil and likely "wanted" by the order. Thats the drawback to being a shade, instead of losing control of your character, you lose whatever good status you had. It's a bad thing for those who want to be powerful and good...a plus for those on the other end of the spectrum but they'll have to deal with the bounty on their head.

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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by Caerin Daeyer on Mon 27 Sep - 17:15:54

Not exactly. Sorcerers only maintain control over a spirit temporarily, and force the spirit to do what they want the spirit/s to do.

For the shade antithesis, I was considering spirits that are permanently attached to the character of their own free will, kinda like the bond between Rider and Dragon, but on a different level. But you have to SEARCH for the spirits that are good-aligned, not evil-aligned. And then you have to prove to them that they can trust you.

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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by Alkara Thelduin on Mon 27 Sep - 18:07:27

Even if the antithesis idea isn't used, we should have a third 'alpha' class. Right now it would pretty much be shades and riders jockeying for power. Throwing in a third alpha class would make it interesting. If I remember right, then I think Span said spellweavers would be equal to shades in power. If so, then there's your third apha class. But I unfortunately don't remember if he said that or if it was just an idea that was unanswered.

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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by Fallen Elf on Mon 27 Sep - 18:15:49

Alkara Thelduin wrote:Even if the antithesis idea isn't used, we should have a third 'alpha' class. Right now it would pretty much be shades and riders jockeying for power. Throwing in a third alpha class would make it interesting. If I remember right, then I think Span said spellweavers would be equal to shades in power. If so, then there's your third apha class. But I unfortunately don't remember if he said that or if it was just an idea that was unanswered.

I don't think Spellweavers can hold a candle to a shade. A shade is advanced in magic as well as swordsmanship and speed. Shades are also the only beings whom can teleport, and they can also do special things if they are also a beast master.
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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by Durz on Mon 27 Sep - 21:35:19

Hmm Im kind of undecided about this idea. I mean its really creative and ibterseting and I apluad you Caerin for thnking of this, but its confusing. I just not sure at all...

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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by paperclip on Tue 28 Sep - 19:58:38

I think it's a very good idea. Shades seem to lose all knowledge or desire to use sorcery once they become shades (in the book) so will you lose your ability to use sorcery once you become a shade?

Also, If a spellweaver was a human elf hybrid and also decent at being an assassin, I would say he could certainly have a good chance against a shade. I might go for arcane warrior as a hybrid class if I wanted to be good at killing shades. In fact, based on what we know about the rocks paper scissors system, the shade would actually lose if they were of equal skills and level with the assassin/spellcaster.

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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by Fallen Elf on Tue 28 Sep - 21:05:45

paperclip wrote:I think it's a very good idea. Shades seem to lose all knowledge or desire to use sorcery once they become shades (in the book) so will you lose your ability to use sorcery once you become a shade?

Don't think so.


Also, If a spellweaver was a human elf hybrid and also decent at being an assassin, I would say he could certainly have a good chance against a shade. I might go for arcane warrior as a hybrid class if I wanted to be good at killing shades. In fact, based on what we know about the rocks paper scissors system, the shade would actually lose if they were of equal skills and level with the assassin/spellcaster.

I don't think so. Shades can teleport and are extremely talented with magic, speed, and power. They also can match a rider and dragon's power if they are a beast master.
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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by Vervada on Fri 8 Oct - 15:35:13

Well it would be nice if there was a third ALPHA CLASS, but i can live with two main ALPHA CLASSES because I'm pretty sure I'll be a Dragon rider(err..if I'll be to become one (My life dream!!))
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Re: Shades and their... antithesis?

Post by MINDROP on Fri 8 Oct - 15:40:34

I would say yes to another Alpha class, but we have no other option. And we eed to hound the Q&A with Paolini with that question, do shades use spirits after they become shades.

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Post by MINDROP on Fri 8 Oct - 15:42:00

Oh, the only other Alpha class I can think of, we already have, and it is not an alpha class. That would be Half Elves. but we are already going to have the blood oath celebration periodically to do that.

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Post by Blodh Eldrvarya Gata on Fri 8 Oct - 15:43:45

Maybe, when you're a shade, there's a random chance of the spirits leaving you for a bit during a fight, since shades can teleport, reanimate corpses, are fast, and strong, good as magic. and seem to be as strong as riders, but easier to become.
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Post by Vervada on Fri 8 Oct - 16:09:57

I agree with that because it seems so easy to become a Shade yet so hard to become a Rider. And they are supposed to be fairly matched. I think this would make Riders pretty unpopular Sad
So i think there should be a possibility like this:
You are using some sorcery magic, you become a Shade.
After getting to a higher lvl(maybe 5,...10 lvls later) the spirit leaves you since you are stronger now. You have to learn a stronger spell which would call a stronger spirit into you and who(err..the spirit) would take controll over you.
This could happen every once a while i think, but once you were a Shade you could NOT be a Rider even if you were in the state of not-Shade.
And every time the spirits would leave you, the harder would it be to become a Shade. So if you became a Shade at low level this would happen so many times that after the 5th time you would be unable to become a Shade or it would be extremely hard (1 in a 5000 of high-levle-sorcery-spells).
I think it would even up the becoming of a Shade and Rider.
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Post by MINDROP on Fri 8 Oct - 16:13:54

easy to becomea shade? it is not going to be easy to become a shade. Sourcery will be a high magic level.

Also, the spirits leaving would make sahde boring and useless. The riders will be smaller than the shadesm but the power will balance things out.

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